. >> tom: i want to ask about demand here in the united states, because natural gas prices have been very low for quite some period of time thanks to new drilling techniques that have led to an abundance of natural gas. how high are natural gas prices have to go in order for your industry, the coal miners, to begin to see a pickup in demand domestically? >> well, when we see gas get back to the $3 range, coal will be back in money in terms of dispatching the electricity market. i think it's public policys that don't allow us to compete and we're starting to see what we believe are bad public policys that are going to carry bad chemical weaponss for american business and american consumers. >> tom: i want to ask you about one of those, an e. p. a. rule that would require plants built after april 2013, power plants, to have carbon capture technology. what kind of impact may that have on coal demand there after? >> well, tom, that is a policy that says we're not going to invest in the future of coal and future of clean coal technology, because if you're going to require something tomorr